Five and Two

Five and Two, this combination of numbers is found in the Old and New Testament, and in narrations and parables. A young lad’s lunch is the main course for this study, but the side dishes and appetizers are just as important.

In a sermon I heard recently, it was noted that the early Church Fathers liked to interrupt the New with the Old and assign meanings to things; really things have not changed that much. St. Augustine of Hippo has the first recorded use of five and two with the Feeding of the 5,000. He saw the five loaves of bread as the Five Books of Moses and the two fish as the Psalms and Prophets. That is not a bad interpretation, and I am sure St. Augustine worked that into his commentary very well. Is that the only way to look at those numbers in that story?

No; here are a few other ways to look at that number combination.

  • A mother or aunt overpacked a young lad’s lunch; since he did not eat all of it, he shared it with his uncles and Jesus.
  • Five can represent grace, provision, and readiness. Two may represent unity, truth confirmed by witnesses, or divine order.
  • The first use of this combination is in Genesis 45:6 and there it is associated with famine. Well, that idea does not really work here.
  • Numbers 7 has this pair of numbers used several times in association with a sacrifice for the individual tribes. That might be a real stretch.
  • Judges 20:45 uses these numbers in describing how many Benjamites were killed.
  • 1 Samuel 25:18 list the amounts of provisions Abigail prepared to stop David and his men from killing off her husband’s household. This one is more in line of suppling provisions.

In my study I noticed a contributor named I. M. Rite who focused on one explanation and dismissed any other insight to these numbers. I think he got his version from his favorite preacher, The Right Reverend Wright. Well, Jesus used these numbers in several of His parables so we should look at them.

  • Matthew 25:15 has bags of gold being assigned to trusted servants who were to use this wealth to increase their master’s holdings.
  • Luke 7:41 has two people owing a man some money; one owed 500 and the other 50.
  • Luke 12:6 teaches us about five sparrows being sold for two pennies.
  • Luke 12:52 has a family of five divide into groups of two and three.

Yes, there are other examples of five and two. The translation you search in may give you more or less verses to look at, so try several.

This post is like the leftovers the disciples picked up; they were good food and should not be wasted, but they looked a little different than what was packed in that lunch. My point, STUDY, go Berean, and do not put God in your little box. His Word fits nicely in-between the covers of my Bible, but as soon as I open it ‘my world’ fills up and overflows. Sounds like provision and witness to me.

BibleGateway – Keyword Search: five two

Bread in the Bible

Feeding the 5000

Egypt

Egypt. This topic has been in many of my posts. It played key roles in my Out of Egypt and Passover to Pentecost series. So, this is not really a new study as I have been laboring on this topic a long time and with this series I cannot see me exiting the subject of Egypt soon.

Egypt is one of the three major oppressors of Israel (Assyria and Babylon), and one of two of the longtime antagonists of Jacob and his children (Edom/Esau is the other). So, in reading/studying the Prophet Isaiah it was not surprising to find all of these players in that Book, but there are several massa and amar (God said or oracles) that Isaiah records that are surprising as to how Egypt and Assyria will act in God’s story. (I wanted to write Godstory instead of history. Well, I guess I did.)  

My study starts in Genesis 10:6 and instantly becomes a HOT mess; this is because of the name Egypt or Mitsrayim. 10:6 is a list of the children of Ham, Noah’s son. All of these children are associated with the Levant and Africa. The names Egypt or Mitsrayim are used in various places and translations, but both are the lands along the Nile River or Ham’s son. Explore these Bible Hub references.

All sorts of thoughts have flooded my brain because of Genesis 10 and the Tower of Babel. Archeology, history, and shared human experiences are not being ignored, but they are not my main subject in this post. I will put this down as an example, pyramids and ziggurats share a common shape, but academics do not like to state they may have a common origin. I have watched shows where the shared shape is mentioned and marveled at, but no one has said the Tower of Babel and a shared human activity. Why would they make a statement that points to the Bible.

God directs Terah (from Shem) to go to Canaan (from Ham), we are not told why he was to go but Terah never made it. Abram (Terah’s son) does go and the Godstory gets a new chapter entitled FAITH. So, in Genesis 12 we see a famine and Abram and company going to Egypt (from Ham). Egypt now is a place of refuge and this repeats with Joseph/Jacob and Jesus. The refuge changes into a place of problems and slavery.

With all of that in mind it is interesting that Jehovah warns Jacob’s children to NOT go back to Egypt for help. Israel responds to that degree with marriages, treaties, trade, looking to Egypt for military assistance, and running away from Babylon.    

In general, most references from Joshua to David, are references to what had happened and how God had done great things for Israel. From Solomon to Isaiah is a different story, and then comes the time of Babylon and bad things happened as the people thought Egypt would help them. Two very telling verses for the time from Joshua to David are: Joshua 24:14 and 1 Samuel 8:8; both paint the picture of the People forsaking God and worshipping and serving other gods.

Much has been and could be said about Joseph and Mary taking Jesus to Egypt. In God’s story it is a reset in the action to bring salvation to the world, and the Gentiles into the Family, and compares with Abraham and Issac, and then Moses/Joshua and the taking of the Promise Land.

Egypt had history before Abram and stayed a world power right into the time of Rome. The Bible does not record much of that history because it is a different story. One thing they were good at was fighting; they had major conflicts with the Hittites, the Sea People, Assyria, and then Babylon at the time of Josiah. Trade was another thing that Egypt did and it had an effect on the world around it.

Fruit and Nuts – Apples and Solomon

This edition of Fruit and Nuts pairs apples and Solomon; this works well because most of the mentions of apples was made by Solomon in Proverbs and the Song of Songs. Just for the record, I do not think the medieval artists were right in making the forbidden fruit in the Garden an apple.

Apples – Yes, there were apples in the Levant during Bible times, they seem to have come from the Persia area. I have read several references that suggest that term has more to do with the shape of the fruit than a specific species. No, they were not like what we think of as apples in this modern era. This reference mentions that the pome order of plants may have also been given that title. Strong’s Hebrew: 8598. תַּפּ֫וּחַ (tappuach) — apple tree, apples The smell of the blossoms was important and highly prized in gardens.

The phrase ‘apple of the eye’ is used several times in the Bible and refers to the bulging, rounded shape of our eye. It is connected to how sensitive the eye is and how we protect it by blinking to keep it moist and closing our eye lids when something flies at it.

Apples and apple trees are connected to God’s protection for His people and His love towards them (Song of Songs). Even the verse of Joel 1:12 has that idea when it talks about those trees drying up, when they were doing good it was a blessing. This is one reason I do not think the forbidden fruit was an apple.

Solomon – The fruits of his life are a mixed bushel of apples. Some were very good and he made some so bad that they should/could not be eaten; like the figs in Jeremiah 24. His behavior after a good start is what got him the nut portion of this post.

Honestly, Solomon has always puzzled me. He had parents who loved him. God loved him, 2 Samuel 12:24, and gave him wisdom and wealth, he built the temple that was used for several hundred years, plus he wrote books of the Bible. But he went off base and angered God.

His journey is recorded in 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles; the Books of Proverbs and Song of Songs also give us insight to his life. He had some of his many psalms be used in the Book of Psalm; he wrote more but we do not know where they went. He started strong, but his decline is well documented and references several times.

His legacy is seen in a few other spots in the Bible. Hezekiah’s men collected some of his proverbs and included them with the others. Any mention of the temple should bring him to mind; that may be one reason Herod named part of the temple he built as Solomon’s Colonnade. Most of the times you find his named used is in connection to things he made for the temple or families of people he had serving in the temple. Jesus is quoted by Matthew and Luke about the wisdom given him; plus, there are references to Proverbs in prophetic books and in the New Testament. So, it is not like he was forgotten, but he sure does not compare with the memory of David. You may have noticed I did not mention Ecclesiastes; he only identified himself as ‘the Teacher son of David’. I hope that this book was written at the end of his life and maybe he returned to the Lord.

As I pondered all of this, I came up with this idea; please humor an old man as he straddles the edge of ‘the box’. David is a Messiah-figure in the beautiful song I call the Old Testament. Solomon was the favored child of David and was given many things and did many things for God and still went bad. Jesus is the Messiah and ‘birthed’ the Church. Have we ‘The Church’ followed in the footsteps of Solomon? We have acquired wealth/gold and show it off, been consumed with wisdom and knowledge, and have married ourselves to 1,000 different things other than Jesus and His Gospel and the Father’s Kingdom that is to come.

In the early days of kings of Israel, the Levant and the Middle East had many things happening. International trade, international terrorism, and the weather created change in the region. One country that was always present was Egypt. One of the first things Solomon did was marry an Egyptian princess; that may have been good politics, but God had commanded not to go back to Egypt for help. That was the beginning of Solomon going off base.

These verses are from Bible Gateway and are in the NIV. They really are not in any order.

  •  2 Samuel 12:24 Then David comforted his wife Bathsheba, and he went to her and made love to her. She gave birth to a son, and they named him Solomon. The Lord loved him;
  • 1 Kings 10:23 King Solomon was greater in riches and wisdom than all the other kings of the earth.
  • 1 Kings 3:3 Solomon showed his love for the Lord by walking according to the instructions given him by his father David, except that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.
  • 1 Kings 9:24 After Pharaoh’s daughter had come up from the City of David to the palace Solomon had built for her, he constructed the terraces.
  • 2 Chronicles 30:26 There was great joy in Jerusalem, for since the days of Solomon son of David king of Israel there had been nothing like this in Jerusalem.
  • 1 Kings 11:11  and 14  So the Lord said to Solomon, “Since this is your attitude and you have not kept my covenant and my decrees, which I commanded you, I will most certainly tear the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your subordinates.
  • 1 Kings 11:1 all of chapter 11 is a list problems
  • 2 Kings 23:13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption—the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molek the detestable god of the people of Ammon.
  • Nehemiah 13:26 Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women.

The Sheep Detectives

Hi, this is Influence Pas coming to you from a meeting of The Flock Folk where we are talking to Roi Poimena. He will be sharing his thoughts on the cinematic sensation, The Sheep Detectives. Please Mr. Poimena, share your thoughts about this celebrated movie.  

Roi Poimena – Thank you Influence, the critics and the studio’s spin-doctors have it right, it is a fun move to watch. It is a solid mystery movie that keeps you interested till the credits roll. There is enough comedy and slapstick in the movie to make it an enjoyable watch. The animation is excellent with the sheep, dogs, and clouds carrying the story. The human actors were great, and they brought wonderful performances to this movie. The secondary themes and social comments were added beautifully in the script and blended into the mystery flawlessly.  

Influence Pas – Well Mr. Poimena, what themes and social comments did you see and how were they blended into the story?

Roi Poimena – Since you seem surprised at that statement, that tells me how good of a job they did, and that their presentation was not totally in-your-face as many films lately have been. It is always better to introduce activism slowly, even it if takes a long time to get what you want. This first one is mild and open to debated, but it could be important. Do the sheep represent a family or a community? I would say a community, but that leads to the reading question that is so important to the story. Does the daily reading represent parents reading to their children or equal education to all? Then there is the delightful way that stereotypes were portrayed and used in the flock and human population; one slip here and people would be bleating foul.

Influence Pas – Surely, education and exposing stereotypes are important.

Roi Poimena – I will come back to that, but some of the charm of this movie is the incorporation of facts; like orf, that is a real disease and a problem for sheep. Then did you question the sheep’s ability to see color? They do see some colors, specifically blue, green, and yellow; red is the color that is an issue. Winter lambs are a major part of this movie, but are they a problem? Of course, that depends on who you talk to, some shepherds want lambs in winter, but they can present problems if they are in the wrong environment.

Another charming idea is that all sheep become clouds; it is a reoccurring theme and allows for several views to be exploited. It was interesting that sheep become clouds, but their shepherd had a ghost. This is just one of several religious themes that run through this movie. But Sabastian being a cloud was a nice symbolic end for him.   

Influence Pas – What is wrong with a happy ending?

Roi Poimena – Nothing, but is that how the story handles it, or is the cloud issue used to show a flaw in the flock’s belief system? Sabastian’s death is important in the story and has a huge effect on the naive members of the flock. When Lily tries to share death with the flock, they chose to pull wool over their eyes, forget, and continue as before. Know how you would explain this serious subject to a grieving child.

Influence Pas – Well, since Sabastian is so important to the story, enlighten us with your thoughts on that character.

Roi Poimena – Sabastian is the ‘George’ of the flock. He is a mixed bag of metaphors, but to remove one of them would not go well in the story line. His ‘black sheep’ characterization runs deeper than color. Initially, he is the loner who is looking down on the flock; he is tolerated/accepted but does not consider himself part of the flock. The two ‘murders’ don’t like him, but they don’t like George either. As the story progresses, he is revealed as a winter lamb who has grown up with the hurt, and that rejection led to his abuse. The winter lamb label may connect him to Jesus, but the self-sacrifice certainly makes him a savior-figure.

Influence Pas – Why bring Jesus and religion into this movie; it is such a nice movie?

Roi Poimena – The writers included Sabastian and Lily’s conversation in the graveyard about church. Sabastian’s part includes many comments that have been used to question and mock Christianity; most of them are part of Christian belief. Unfortunately, many Christians still do not know how to talk about these thoughts. They never mention the name of Jesus in the movie, and I am not sure about the phrase good shepherd. Lily’s statements/questions are really the social comments here: “What is church?” and “Poor God!”.

George’s character has contempt against the church and pastor which is plain in his timing to pay his debt. His offense with the church started when he used it to tend to his little lambs. Then the pastor in the village did wrong because of the money and became a bad shepherd, but he appears to have had a change of heart. We know George offered the money and the pastor justified the bribe. The congregation was a sore spot and filled with everyone who became a suspect named in his will.

Influence Pas – Where do you get the idea that the pastor changed his mind?

Roi Poimena – There were two rolls of cash in the cupboard, the first one was never spent, but not returned. That will speak to George’s two children.

Influence Pas – Mr. Poimena, what do you make of George being a vegan?

Roi Poimena – Ms. Pas, George was not a vegan but a vegetarian. It seems he earned his living from the wool before he developed his cure and became wealthy. Two stereotypes are revealed in the angry words that George and the butcher share for each other.

Influence Pas – Okay, do you have anything to say about George’s daughter?

Roi Poimena – The movie starts and ends with Rebecca, who was a shepherdess in the Bible, and something written by George. She is a winter lamb because of her life in America. Her grand entrance at the end invokes thoughts of Little Bo Peep. I do have to wonder just how much they are alike?

Both the nursey rhyme and the movie are sweet and charming, but what are the hidden messages that may not match what we see.

Influence Pas – Thank you Mr. Poimena for your time and the, uh thought provoking responses. This is Influence Pas at The Flock Folk meeting.

GOOD

What does an excited teenager describing something, me talking about my blood pressure, and a lukewarm conversion about a movie have in common? Well, good could have been used in all of those moments. (The teenager used slang that in my old mind does not fit.) Then I thought how God describes things and Genesis, especially Chapter 1, took over. This will help you in your own study. Hebrew Concordance: ṭō·wḇ — 271 Occurrences   Strong’s Hebrew: 2896. טוֹב (towb) — Good, pleasant, agreeable, beneficial, beautiful, best, better, bountiful, cheerful, at ease, fair, favor, fine, glad, goodly, graciously, joyful, kindly, loving, merry, pleasant, precious, prosperity, ready, sweet, wealth, welfare, well-favored

In Genesis 1 God uses the word tov. God bless translators. As you can see the base-word for tov is used in many applications. If you look in a thesaurus or dictionary, in English, there are many listings for good; add in adjectives that go above ‘good’ and the compound words of good, the idea is huge. In Hebrew those jots and tittles, and prefixes and suffixes are used by the translators to help us out. I am finding that the ‘occurrences’ list helps me with the understanding of specific uses of a word. Back to Genesis.

I have taken classes, read, and studied the first part of Genesis many times. So, I may have seen this before, but I do not remember it. Tov surprised me with its various forms, and where it was absent in the first three chapters.

Day 1 and 7, according to the Bible app/Englishmen’s Concordance that I use is ט֑וֹב. The sky/expanse is not called tov, at this time. Day 3 through the animals in Day 6 are called tov, but it is written טֽוֹב׃; the best explanation I found for those two dots was it may be a pronunciation mark. In Day 6 man got blessed but not called tov. Day 7 pronounces everything very tov, and God rest; Day 1 is light. I have more questions than answers at this point, but now maybe a time to keep silent. The only thought I had about Day 2, and the air was in Ephesians 2:2.

Chapter 2 – the food from the trees was a form of tov, but spelled וְט֣וֹב. The ‘good’ used with the Tree of Knowledge is ט֥וֹב. Hebrew Concordance: wə·ṭō·wḇ — 15 Occurrences

All of these words are tov. So, why did the Holy Spirit use these different forms of tov? The easy and possible explanation is grammar and tenses, but I find the associations of these various forms of tov in Scripture interesting.

With all that said, I now have no problem calling something tov without trying to beef up my comment using many adjectives or ‘better’ words.